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Aggregator @ Bitubique — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 16:09:45 +0200

Vincent Untz: A look forward at GNOME 3.0

You might remember this: It's been a long time coming, but if the proposal that was presented at GUADEC caught your attention and if you're curious to know more about GNOME 3.0, you will definitely want to read the detailed planning that the release te...

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Aggregator @ Bitubique — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 16:09:19 +0200

Andre Klapper: GNOME 3.0 Schedule draft; Streamlining of the

GNOME 3 Today I have released a GNOME release schedule proposal for 2.27 and 2.29 (please keep discussion streamlined on desktop-devel mailing list instead of e.g. the comments section of this blog). GNOME 2.30 will be GNOME 3.0 (if it’s considered to...

Live from Istanbul: GNOME 3.0 - Rabi

Rabi — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:56:46 +0000

Gnome 3.0 must include all basic requirements for everyday usage. It's own browser (epiphany), office (gnome-office) and much more need to be included by default.

Live from Istanbul: GNOME 3.0 - Diego

Diego — Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:56:05 +0000

KDE4 > GNOME

Live from Istanbul: GNOME 3.0 - troll

troll — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:39:30 +0000

My vision was in office environments. Scheduling and collaborative working could be killer features. Without running extra software, just embed it into the things that we already have. All the way. Model most of the things ordinary office workers actually do (ie. receive document, comment it, ask couple quick clarifications via im, send the reviewed version, etc) and then support those.

Doing things like that would annihilate competitors. I once thought of making dummies and a vision statement about the thing but then I recalled how clueless most of the open source folks are and went boozing. Heh. It's not my business. If it were, Ubuntu's #1 bug could be resolved and closed in couple years. I could personally orchestrate that Linux would have #1 user base in some 3-5 years flat.

Ah well, off to boozing :D

Live from Istanbul: GNOME 3.0 - Sebastian

Sebastian — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 03:24:02 +0000

@Troll & Dylan: Yes telepathy, people as first class objects and collaborative environments like Gobby is definitely the way forward. To get such collaborative functionality systemwide, but especially for office/productivity is in my mind the best thing to aim for longterm.

Live from Istanbul: GNOME 3.0 - Vincent

Vincent — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 00:13:27 +0000

pinky: a move to LGPLv3 for GTK+3 is a choice to be made by the GTK+ hackers. They are considering it, but some people say the change has more impact that it might seem (I'm in no way a license expert, so I'm pretty sure other people know better than me). So right now, we can't say if it will happen or not, or when.

Live from Istanbul: GNOME 3.0 - Dylan McCall

Dylan McCall — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:30:33 +0000

Aha, someone who likes Telepathy! I agree with you, Troll. Telepathy / Empathy have amazing potential. There's a really cool thing added a while ago that lets programs do networking (eg: online games) via the functionality provided in Empathy. Done right, and with a huge amount of support, that alone could definitely improve things Hugely.

Now, where are those slides? I swear, the whole of GNOME Planet is conspiring to make me crazy; lots of talk about information, but all the information is in hiding :o

Live from Istanbul: GNOME 3.0 - troll

troll — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:32:51 +0000

I have always found it hard to find stuff from the current menu. It's not perhaps very convenient for integrating the search functionalities either. Suse's SLAB is slightly better but to be honest it's full of gold plating features and is sluggish. On top of their "more applications..." browser is a real managed window which is quite confusing.

Gnome-do sort of approach might be future. The problem is lack of plugins at this moment. Firefox3, Banshee1 at least are missing real support. As are telepathy based applications. My point about the main menu was: it sucks. There isn't really better alternative yet ready. There MIGHT be though if someone really worked on it, AND it could prove to be a good selling point.

Talking about selling points, telepathy is the largest unleveraged asset Gnome community has. Integrating networking (in workplace environments, home, etc) with other people and activities into the desktop environment could when implemented properly even ring death bells to other environments like Windows.

Live from Istanbul: GNOME 3.0 - Dedalus

Dedalus — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 02:10:59 +0000

Vincent, come on, your teasing is just too much! We can't stand this, we want the slides, NOW!

@troll: I don't see the problem with current menu.

Live from Istanbul: GNOME 3.0 - pinky

pinky — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 01:20:09 +0000

will you also take the opportunity to move to LGPLv3 with Gtk+3?

Live from Istanbul: GNOME 3.0 - ilovegnome

ilovegnome — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:25:39 +0000

re #10:
Agree, except the gnome menu. I think its better than other menus. SLAB is a joke and the new KDE4 menu is the worst I've ever seen. I think we dont need integrated search and tabs or other navigation inside the menu. Keep it simple.

Live from Istanbul: GNOME 3.0 - troll

troll — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:42:40 +0000

Sure, why not. There's still time for some development push as the present is not enough to justify it yet. There are a few legacy things to be sorted out, and couple long-standing issues that are really beginning to hurt. At mininum the old Gnome menu should be replaced (I'm not a friend of "the SLAB" however), some legacy applications (Evolution) removed, and the Nautilus tabs (usability nightmare) should go. Bring in gnome-do, the whole telepathy stack, wlan projectors support, Banshee-1, and it's definitely 3.0.

Live from Istanbul: GNOME 3.0 - fraggle

fraggle — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:39:33 +0000

No offence intended, nimes, I was just referencing the song "Istanbul (Not Constantinople)". The Gnome 2.30 = Gnome 3.0 thing combined with the fact that GUADEC is being held in Istanbul made me think of it.

Live from Istanbul: GNOME 3.0 - Andrew

Andrew — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:36:07 +0000

I honestly don't understand the excitement; while current is 2.22, and with 6-month release cycles, that's still over 2 years away :(

Live from Istanbul: GNOME 3.0 - Flux

Flux — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:33:59 +0000

SQUEEEEEEE! Awesome.

I'd love it if y'all could work on the Jasper window decorator. (:
Emerald's too messy I guess, and Metacity/gtk-window-decorator is just lacking. ^^

Live from Istanbul: GNOME 3.0 - Simone

Simone — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:33:35 +0000

I'm really impressed by how smart are (#2,#5) peoples commentin' on your blog. LOL.

Live from Istanbul: GNOME 3.0 - nimes

nimes — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:17:04 +0000

Istanbul is not Constantinople.Istanbul=Istanbul. It is a Turkey City.

Live from Istanbul: GNOME 3.0 - Emmanuele

Emmanuele — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:04:04 +0000

@giz404: if it's okay by you, then it's fine.

@Nick: given the list of changes between 2.0 and 2.30, I'd say the major bump was justified some time ago. if we throw in the major change in the platform (glib 3, gtk+ 3, etc.) then: yes, it's justified.

Live from Istanbul: GNOME 3.0 - Nick

Nick — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:34:49 +0000

Are there big changes coming that would justify a major version bump?