1. fraggle [site] [2008-07-10@17:05]

Istanbul is Constantinople.

Gnome 2.30 is Gnome 3.0

2. giz404 [site] [2008-07-10@17:27]

If every problematic aspect that I noticed is taken care of, then it's ok by me to call the next version of Gnome "3.0"
giz404.freecontrib.org/?2...

3. Nick [site] [2008-07-10@17:34]

Are there big changes coming that would justify a major version bump?

4. Emmanuele [site] [2008-07-10@18:04]

@giz404: if it's okay by you, then it's fine.

@Nick: given the list of changes between 2.0 and 2.30, I'd say the major bump was justified some time ago. if we throw in the major change in the platform (glib 3, gtk+ 3, etc.) then: yes, it's justified.

5. nimes [site] [2008-07-10@20:17]

Istanbul is not Constantinople.Istanbul=Istanbul. It is a Turkey City.

6. Simone [2008-07-10@20:33]

I'm really impressed by how smart are (#2,#5) peoples commentin' on your blog. LOL.

7. Flux [2008-07-10@20:33]

SQUEEEEEEE! Awesome.

I'd love it if y'all could work on the Jasper window decorator. (:
Emerald's too messy I guess, and Metacity/gtk-window-decorator is just lacking. ^^

8. Andrew [2008-07-10@20:36]

I honestly don't understand the excitement; while current is 2.22, and with 6-month release cycles, that's still over 2 years away :(

9. fraggle [site] [2008-07-10@20:39]

No offence intended, nimes, I was just referencing the song "Istanbul (Not Constantinople)". The Gnome 2.30 = Gnome 3.0 thing combined with the fact that GUADEC is being held in Istanbul made me think of it.

10. troll [2008-07-10@21:42]

Sure, why not. There's still time for some development push as the present is not enough to justify it yet. There are a few legacy things to be sorted out, and couple long-standing issues that are really beginning to hurt. At mininum the old Gnome menu should be replaced (I'm not a friend of "the SLAB" however), some legacy applications (Evolution) removed, and the Nautilus tabs (usability nightmare) should go. Bring in gnome-do, the whole telepathy stack, wlan projectors support, Banshee-1, and it's definitely 3.0.

11. ilovegnome [2008-07-10@22:25]

re #10:
Agree, except the gnome menu. I think its better than other menus. SLAB is a joke and the new KDE4 menu is the worst I've ever seen. I think we dont need integrated search and tabs or other navigation inside the menu. Keep it simple.

12. pinky [2008-07-11@01:20]

will you also take the opportunity to move to LGPLv3 with Gtk+3?

13. Dedalus [site] [2008-07-11@02:10]

Vincent, come on, your teasing is just too much! We can't stand this, we want the slides, NOW!

@troll: I don't see the problem with current menu.

14. troll [2008-07-11@14:32]

I have always found it hard to find stuff from the current menu. It's not perhaps very convenient for integrating the search functionalities either. Suse's SLAB is slightly better but to be honest it's full of gold plating features and is sluggish. On top of their "more applications..." browser is a real managed window which is quite confusing.

Gnome-do sort of approach might be future. The problem is lack of plugins at this moment. Firefox3, Banshee1 at least are missing real support. As are telepathy based applications. My point about the main menu was: it sucks. There isn't really better alternative yet ready. There MIGHT be though if someone really worked on it, AND it could prove to be a good selling point.

Talking about selling points, telepathy is the largest unleveraged asset Gnome community has. Integrating networking (in workplace environments, home, etc) with other people and activities into the desktop environment could when implemented properly even ring death bells to other environments like Windows.

15. Dylan McCall [site] [2008-07-11@18:30]

Aha, someone who likes Telepathy! I agree with you, Troll. Telepathy / Empathy have amazing potential. There's a really cool thing added a while ago that lets programs do networking (eg: online games) via the functionality provided in Empathy. Done right, and with a huge amount of support, that alone could definitely improve things Hugely.

Now, where are those slides? I swear, the whole of GNOME Planet is conspiring to make me crazy; lots of talk about information, but all the information is in hiding :o

17. Sebastian [2008-07-12@03:24]

@Troll & Dylan: Yes telepathy, people as first class objects and collaborative environments like Gobby is definitely the way forward. To get such collaborative functionality systemwide, but especially for office/productivity is in my mind the best thing to aim for longterm.

18. troll [2008-07-12@19:39]

My vision was in office environments. Scheduling and collaborative working could be killer features. Without running extra software, just embed it into the things that we already have. All the way. Model most of the things ordinary office workers actually do (ie. receive document, comment it, ask couple quick clarifications via im, send the reviewed version, etc) and then support those.

Doing things like that would annihilate competitors. I once thought of making dummies and a vision statement about the thing but then I recalled how clueless most of the open source folks are and went boozing. Heh. It's not my business. If it were, Ubuntu's #1 bug could be resolved and closed in couple years. I could personally orchestrate that Linux would have #1 user base in some 3-5 years flat.

Ah well, off to boozing :D

19. Diego [2008-07-13@22:56]

KDE4 > GNOME